Stammbaum-Programm

[blueflidge]

Ich suche für den Rechner meiner Mum ein Stammbaum-Programm, ähnlich wie Ahnenblatt [1] für Windows. Gibt es sowas überhaupt?

[1] http://www.ahnenblatt.de/

[roli]

Hi,

nach den Screen-Shots aus deinem Link kann ich es zwar nicht wirklich vergleichen, aber ich nutze gramps. Die Seite war eben allerdings nicht erreichbar.

[blueflidge]

Ich danke dir!
Das Teil ist ja echt genial. Auch wenn die Seite nicht erreichbar ist, so bieten Wikipedia [1] und die Projektseite bei Sourceforge [2] doch eine Menge an Infos.
Das Prog ist sogarim Repo von Debian.

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GRAMPS
[2] http://sourceforge.net/projects/gramps/

[meandtheshell]

hallo community, hallo roli,

super Sache dieses gramps (zumindest soweit ich das nach ca. 15min spielen und Wiki überfliegen sagen kann).

Eine Frage habe ich:
Besteht die Möglichkeit von "collaborative working" d.h. ist es möglich das Zeug auf einen meiner Rechner ins Netz zu stellen und z.B. via Webinterface mehreren Leuten die Möglichkeit zu geben den Datenbestand zu editieren/erweitern.
Es wäre eine feine Sache der Familie/Verwandschaft diese Möglichkeit zu geben ...

Rein intuitiv (GTK, Berkley DB, etc.) würde ich sagen nein - richtig?

Markus

[meandtheshell]

collaborative working funktioniert (mehr oder weniger) ...

Gespräch von #gramps@irc.freenode.net

Code: Alles auswählen

(21:35:05) meandtheshell: hi folks, I just discovered gramps - great stuff I think ...
(21:35:05) meandtheshell: Is it possible to somehow do collaborative work i.e. provide folks (e.g. relatives) with a webinterface to edit/add information?
(21:35:43) bmcage: meandtheshell: GRAMPS is not that type of program
(21:35:56) bmcage: It is for the researcher wanting control over his data
(21:36:18) bmcage: and in reality, few people get meaningfull collaboration going
(21:36:46) bmcage: So, what you could do is get the Linux Genealogy CD 3.0 we bring out
(21:36:53) meandtheshell: bmcage: I see - so collaboration is not possible at all - yes?
(21:37:00) bmcage: it contains also a collaboration tool
(21:37:05) meandtheshell: ah ...
(21:37:15) bmcage: So you can use GRAMPS for your tree, with full control, export to GEDCOM
(21:37:25) bmcage: and set that on a server, with web interface
(21:37:33) meandtheshell: well, I am with DebianGNU/Linux unstable (just installed gramps)
(21:37:54) bmcage: Let me look up the name of the other software again
(21:38:08) meandtheshell: bmcage: great - tia for that!
(21:38:14) bmcage: GeneWeb
(21:38:17) EspenBe: phpGedView is great that way - or Geneweb
(21:38:24) EspenBe: you got me bmcage ;)
(21:38:36) ***meandtheshell checks that ...
(21:38:42) bmcage: ah, yes, phpGedView is what I meant actually
(21:38:56) EspenBe: GRAMPS can import directly from Geneweb
(21:39:13) EspenBe: ...and export
(21:39:41) bmcage: so, the disadvantages of collaborated work should be known to you: on holiday with laptop, checking what people did to your data, setting up privacy, ...
(21:41:58) bmcage: with GRAMPS only one person can work on a database at the time
(21:42:11) bmcage: you can work remote via eg ssh off course
(21:42:19) bmcage: like with all linux progs
(21:42:49) meandtheshell: bmcage: ok - fine - phpGedView is part of official debian repositories ... 
(21:42:51) EspenBe: I don't let anyone but me edit data in the database.  I want the data structured my way
(21:43:21) bmcage: and control over sources, people tend to think Toetanhamon is family
(21:44:21) meandtheshell: bmcage: data is stored in berkeley db - yes?
(21:44:22) bmcage: The biggest dealbreaker for me is server space I think.
(21:44:30) bmcage: meandtheshell: yes
(21:45:05) bmcage: with server space I mean: scan of documents at high resolution that you want to link to your tree
(21:46:09) bmcage: I'm amazed how many people react to a normal webpage you generate with gramps
(21:46:21) bmcage: meandtheshell: if you need an example webpage, here is mine: http://familiemalengier.be/ppl/V/F/VFJZIWKQY4BHKUGY2I.html
(21:46:33) EspenBe: I don't have any real genealogy-site right now
(21:46:47) meandtheshell: bmcage: /me checks :)
(21:47:26) bmcage: Two days ago I got a tree of somebody that relates to the sister of my great-great-grandfather
(21:47:53) bmcage: Took me till 1 o'clock in the night to add that to GRAMPS
(21:47:55) EspenBe: bmcage: do you manage to get some time to do genealogy research?
(21:48:07) bmcage: in between, to blow of steam
(21:48:20) bmcage: I'm not like Don, I do this for genealogy, not for GRAMPS
(21:48:52) EspenBe: I guess he started this to give his father some good genealogy-program to his dad :D
(21:49:08) EspenBe: what a crappy sentence...
(21:49:14) bmcage: yeah, he needed to correct GEDCOM for his father, so wrote a GEDCOM reader
(21:51:24) EspenBe: I see you have 3 kids.  guess they demand some of your time as well...
(21:51:43) bmcage: :-), my wife is in Canada right now
(21:52:05) bmcage: I just installed Wing Commander via Wine actually, and shoot away 
(21:52:30) bmcage: when she's here I don't have time for that :-D
(21:52:53) bmcage: meandtheshell: to compare to a full blown php genealogy app, see http://genealogy.finlayfamily.org/
(21:53:28) EspenBe: bmcage: what kind of job do you have?
(21:53:32) ***meandtheshell continues checking  8-]
(21:53:54) bmcage: I'm mathematical researcher
(21:54:02) bmcage: numerical modelling actually
(21:54:05) EspenBe: university?
(21:54:08) bmcage: yeah
(21:54:11) EspenBe: :)
(21:54:12) bmcage: post-doc
(21:54:21) EspenBe: nice ;)
(21:54:25) bmcage: There would be no time to code otherwise
(21:54:40) EspenBe: I'm not qualified for a post-doc yet...
(21:54:54) bmcage: but I have some deathlines coming, it'll be August before I can pick up GRAMPS again
(21:55:20) bmcage: They should pay us to do what we want :-(
(21:55:45) EspenBe: how much is the annual salary for a post-doc where you are?
(21:56:25) bmcage: ?? that is a direct question my friend
(21:56:30) bmcage: with so many ears !
(21:56:42) EspenBe: ;)
(21:56:52) bmcage: I don't really know actually, I have some 600 EUr extra because of the kids I think
(21:57:02) EspenBe: I just wonder how it is compared to Norwegian conditions...
(21:57:15) bmcage: I think it'll be the same
(21:57:29) bmcage: phd is around 1800
(21:57:42) bmcage: I really should check my paycheck he
(21:58:03) bmcage: but really, it is so much I can't be bothered, I pay, it doesn't run dry :-)
(21:59:02) EspenBe: 1800 Euro per month? is that net-salary or brt-salasy?
(21:59:09) bmcage: that'll be net
(21:59:42) EspenBe: a little bit less than here then, but I guess it it more expensive to live here alltogether
(21:59:48) bmcage: google comes to the resque: http://www.ugent.be/nl/voorzieningen/personeelszaken/salaris/salarisschalen/AAPVWP_eas3.htm
22:00
(22:00:25) bmcage: I think I have some added ancienity, so that'll be the 30447.79 I suppose
(22:00:33) meandtheshell: ok - folks - thx so far - I'll skim across all the stuff I got ...
(22:01:01) meandtheshell: phpGedView seems to do what I desired
(22:01:28) bmcage: Yes, but to try that site I gave you
(22:01:41) bmcage: and compare speed of entering data to speed of entering data with gramps
(22:02:05) bmcage: (the phpgedview site you can use to test stuff)
(22:02:18) bmcage: so if collaboration is the most important, phpgedview is the way to go
(22:02:24) EspenBe: if you have a lot of data to register, any web-interface will reeeeeeaaaaallyyyyy slow down your speed
(22:02:40) meandtheshell: I will, phpGedView is just to provide folks with an opportunity to contribute ...
(22:02:42) bmcage: if you know you'll be doing 95 percent of the work, consider gramps
(22:03:00) bmcage: well, a better phpgedview to gramps interface would be great
(22:03:18) bmcage: you can do more in gramps that GEDCOM allows, and probably also in phpgedview
(22:03:46) bmcage: mapping one to the other is not considered however, so the ancient GEDCOM standard drags you down to a common denominator
(22:04:35) EspenBe: phpGedView is more or less a complete genealogy-program, but since it makes use of the web-browser, it is slower and less streamlined
(22:04:42) bmcage: EspenBe: those wages are not taxed should you be wondering
(22:04:54) ***bmcage kid is crying
(22:09:14) meandtheshell: I'll see - maybe, if worth the effort, I'll throw some "run on my server providing a webinterface for folks to edit/add data within berkeley db for what is considered to be accessed with gramps only" in python ... however, this stuff has to wait a few month anyway :)
(22:11:24) bmcage: meandtheshell: The gramps code has been updated for 2.2.7 so it can now allow multiple users
(22:11:38) bmcage: every person is in it's own environment
(22:11:59) bmcage: It is only that there are little developers, and no real drive for this
(22:12:30) bmcage: For 3.0 the database code will be broken out, and could be reused for eg webinterface
(22:12:46) meandtheshell: bmcage: ah - interesting
(22:13:16) bmcage: if dallingham passes here, you can ask him what is still exactly missing
(22:13:21) bmcage: he is the main developer
(22:13:35) meandtheshell: ok
(22:14:32) bmcage: I actually had a friend of me pump the data over to an sql database
(22:14:48) bmcage: you can build a webinterface very quickly for mysql
(22:14:59) EspenBe: time to go to sleep.  new day and more implementation (fortran) to do tomorrow :)  
(22:15:06) bmcage: me too
(22:15:19) Version: 2.2.7-2
(22:15:27) EspenBe: number-crunching and fortran walk hand in hand at our department
(22:15:36) meandtheshell: see, that's currently in DebianGNU/Linux unstable
(22:16:11) meandtheshell: you guys see that "Version: 2.2.7-2"  - yes?
(22:16:28) bmcage: yes, 2.2.8 came out yesterday
(22:16:53) bmcage: DistroMan is sleeping now, he makes debian testing
(22:16:55) meandtheshell: ok - will show up in debian repos quite soon then
(22:17:12) bmcage: I think 2 weeks from testing till unstable
(22:17:27) bmcage: You will be able to download from sourceforge before that
(22:17:31) meandtheshell: no - 10 days if no bugs found
(22:17:57) bmcage: well, 10 days holiday is two weeks :-)
(22:18:04) meandtheshell: hehe
(22:19:00) meandtheshell: that's no problem since I've no time till fall anyways to fiddle around with gramps & Co
(22:19:15) bmcage: that is a long backlog
(22:19:22) bmcage: what do you do?

[roli]

Hi salnet,

um das ganze noch zu toppen haette ich sogar noch einen.
Wenn du als Bonner zwischen 15:05 und 16:00 Uhr etwas Zeit/Ruhe hast, schalt doch mal WDR5 ein. Die Lebensart hat heute folgendes Thema: "Vorfahren gesucht! Ahnenforschung"

[roli]

Hi,

guer alle die, die die Sendung (wie ich auch) verpasst haben, unter Vorfahren gesucht! stehen jetzt auch weitere Infos.

[roli]

Ich hab schon wieder was ...

Gerade eben bin ich ueber Online-Stammbaum hilft bei der Suche nach Verwandten bzw. FamilyOne gestolpert. Ob's was ist, weiss ich nicht, sieht aber interessant aus.